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Response HANDOUT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
RR
Ringbone and Wrapping with DMSO
If you read the RR answers to questions handout and look in the ringbone
areas there is an explanation how to use dmso 1oz + 6 oz RR-F or regular
RR and store in plastic closed container above 65 degrees so the dmso will
not freeze.....soak a wad of cotton in the mixture and wrap it around the
coronet band of the hoof then wrap with wrap that will not absorb the RR
away from the foot.....like a piece of sheet cotton then cover with
plastic....making sure plastic does not touch skin but ok to touch hoof and
then vet wrap or whatever you use. The goal is to use dmso as a
carrier even though RR will absorb on its own, the dmso just speeds it
up.....try to get RR into the hoof. If there are abcesses in the
foot the RR will act as a drawing agent and pull them out. Once
abcesses open up do not cover
with RR until totally drained
because the RR will seal the holes up again...then add RR after drained to
seal holes. You can also wrap the bottom of the foot.....more
complicated....see website...directions left column then click on wrapping
pictures at top of this page and move down through the pictures. They
are our original pictures and our original method of wrapping.....in the
summer the plastic can get too hot so we have backed off of it during hot
weather....and the dmso RR mixture is just much easier to do. You can
paint this mixture on the body 4 times a day on the stifles or other places
where you cannot wrap. You get better results with wrapping. You
can put RR on cuts, ringworm, poison oak, proud flesh etc etc etc and
relieve pain topcially also.
Sharone
If you receive this twice or more, it pays to read it everytime you see it because I will be adding more between the lines AND AT THE END WITH DATES ADDED! every day as questions come up. I have added to it five times today! Please note the info below are notes and not a lesson in proper English.
I have typed this out because sending individual emails is time consuming and I am not getting back to some of you soon enough. If the statements below do not help you enough please email me back and state in subject line RR-need more info asap thanks.
6-26-06 Announcement:
Horse Journal Magazine has a July 2006 article discussing ringbone. Rapid Response is the only product they mention which has benefited ringbone horses!
The best formula is Rapid Response F for horses and HF for humans and is recommended especially for bone problems and horses which are performing but is also exceptional with soft tissue. When a gallon is purchased at retail price of $269 per gallon, we also include a $79 retail value quart for free as a special offer right now. This is a 25% savings.
The regular Rapid Response for horses and Rapid Response H for humans formula is $150 retail per gallon and the quarts are $39.95. This is recommended for maintenance and soft tissue such as tendons and a suspensories or less important problems such as ringworm. Dosing is similar with both formulas depending on problem. We also have a special right now and are shipping a free quart with every gallon sold at $150 which is also a 25% savings.
You asked about oral dosing on a 1200 lb horse: Daily: 2oz maintenance and 4 oz for basic problems going up to 8 oz twice a day for a fractured horse....dose depends on severity of injury especially for ringbone or navicular horses and the extent of lameness. The lamer the horse and the more pain the larger loading (beginning) dose and twice a day dosing is required. A 2-3 day loading dose (double dose) is preferred on basic problems.
For an average human: The amount of a dose is based more on problems than weight. Daily dosing: 2 oz maintenance and 4 ounces (once daily or twice a day) for problems. Basically the dosing is individualized based on problem. The HF RR is best for bad knees, hips and broken bones and very severe arthritis and has been proven effective in helping MS patients along with fibromyalgia.
For a 40 to 60 pound dog: Again I like to know the problem to be able to recommend dosing but I would start with 1 oz in soft food twice a day. If a larger dog then 2 to 4 ounces a day in divided doses. If a dog with liver or kidney problems the dose should be spread out to 4 times a day which is less workload on the kidney or liver for metabolism.
For a cat, you usually begin with a daily dosing of one teaspoonful and increase if needed.
After 5 days of continual dosing you should know by then if RR is helping as indicated by pain relief, more strength in backs or muscles and better agility or overall feeling of well being. We have also noticed that horses on RR remain healthy while horses near them come down with colds. We have noticed that people on Rapid Response seldom if ever catch colds and do not get headaches (probably due to the entire body becoming more flexible and loose).
Originally Rapid Response was created to speed up the healing of fractures. Since then our “customers”, I prefer to call them friends because that is what they are to us, have discovered that RR has the following results. Antiseptic properties and antibiotic activity (which is great for cuts), anti-inflammatory action, cures or prevents ulcers, speeds up healing of fractures, tendons and other bone and soft tissue problems, strengthens the immune system to prevent colds and speed up the healing process for fractures, MS and etc., provides pain relief (it has been noted that while people are on RR they usually do not get headaches or they are greatly minimzed), we have horse trainers that say it clears up ringworm and scratches in a couple of days so that would indicate antifungal properties, we personally have used it on poison oak and it relieves the itch and clears up the poison oak faster. We have people who apply RR to a sprained ankle and immediately helps the pain and recovery period. Rapid Response has speeded healing and provided pain relief for burns. Rapid Response helps rebuild cartilage in joints (see Mike Bryan video testimonial on front page of website. Helps eliminate bone spurs. ETC! We are always hearing of something new it has helped. Eight ounces twice a day for a few days has turned a horse with laminitis or founder around if provided to them fast enough. How many products are made where the ingredients can accomplish all of this in one product? When you consider all of this, Rapid Response is inexpensive!
Note! It would be best to feed 2-3 hours before riding so it will absorb and your horse will perform better and then feed 2 ounces after riding so he/she can recover faster from the ride. It is vital to wrap when you can. You need to wrap the tendon or other leg problem by using the wrapping instructions under directions on the website. There are pictures there. You would use the plastic but if it is too hot, do not use the plastic. (The function of the plastic is to create warmth which helps the RR absorb directly into the damaged area. During hot weather the plastic might get too hot which would result in blistering which can also bring good results by bringing more blood and thus RR to the area but your horse will be laid up longer.) Any method of holding the RR + cotton + plastic on the leg is okay--just be careful you do not wrap too tightly. Instead of plastic you can mix 1 ounce dmso with 6 ounces RR, store in closed plastic container above 65 degrees and use plastic gloves or plastic shopping bags on your hands. You can massage it on the tendon or other area, dip some cotton into the mixture and apply to the affected area then wrap with sheet cotton and whatever method you prefer to hold the bandage on the leg. Normally you would change daily but if the mix is still wet after 24 hours then you could leave it on and change every two days.
If a ringbone horse you can soak cotton with a mixture of RR F + dmso and place over coronet band or as close as you can get it to the ringbone area. Follow with sheet cotton and vet wrap or wrap of your preference. The goal of Rapid Response F is to maintain soundness on a ringbone horse by feeding 2 ounces twice a day or 4 ounces once a day and hopefully this will stop the progression of the ringbone (this is based on a 1200 pound horse and if the horse is more than 1200 lbs then I would increase the dose by 2 ounces a day more.) If the horse is in pain with more severe ringbone or other problem then you would load the horse with 4 to 8 ounces twice a day depending on how lame and how much pain is involved. When you see the lameness or pain decrease then you can lower the dose with the goal of maintaining on 4 to 6 ounces a day. This information is based on a horse that had ringbone in both front feet and could not walk out of her stall and was recommended to be put down. I kept improving Rapid Response and used several different Rapid Response formulas with this horse and the Rapid Response F brought the best results. After trying different doses and evaluating each dose after 5 days, the dose required was 8 ounces twice a day which was decreased down to 5 ounces twice a day….and is being decreased now. When she had her bad days we would increase the dose then when better we would decrease it. When I saw her one year ago she had a slight dip with one foot at a trot. She walked sound and she is happy. She is on the website under videos and her name is GiGi. This is the worse ringbone case we have had. (I realize for some of you when you consider the expense of Rapid Response F you would ask yourself if you could afford to do this. For these people we will help you to try to make it affordable for you but we need monthly follow-ups from you on the condition of your horse and if we find out that you are telling us it is for your ringbone horse but you are really using it elsewhere (at a lower price) you do not get any more Rapid Response. We want honesty. If you say you cannot afford it because in your head you can’t but your checking account says differently…..I just do not respect this type of person so do not buy Rapid Response from me. If you really have money problems and we have all been there, especially myself, then I will help you. Just be honest!
9-11-06 note:
Quite often when horses are trimmed (especially with ringbone) they go sore and you need to up the dose ....I have noticed it with others. It is too soon for x-rays.......they take a long time to change and may not change at all.....the goal is to stop the pain.....and create soundness. I would do 6 months of the higher dosing before any x-rays. Also this is why I am supplying the extra gallon because of the higher dosing (more than 6 ounces a day), I know you need to stay at a higher dose for a longer period. The minimum dose is 3 oz twice a day for severe ringbone on a regular basis for some time. I will advise lowering the dose with your reports if I think it will be okay. You might have to go back up to 6 oz twice a day the day before and a few days after a new trim.
The above financial situation also holds true for MS patients because you would need to be on Rapid Response HF for 6 months minimum. Personally I believe everybody should take it as maintenance and they would have less problems in life to begin with.
If founder you feed 8 ounces twice a day for 3 or more days to stop rotation and soak feet in ice to try to stop the rotation. Everything above can also apply to a human, dog, cat etc. But using DMSO on these is not recommended. If you apply RR on an area with long hair it is best to shave the area so the RR will reach the skin.
Question:
Thank you for getting back to me so soon. I appreciate all the different ideas and ways of using the product. One very important question that I forgot to ask, is there anything contained in the RR that would test positive in case of a drug test at a show?
It does not test...there is nothing in it to test….I have horses going in Grand Prix and Horse Shows, Thoroughbred Racing, Harness Racing, Endurance etc. There is nothing to test--RR's goal is to provide the nutrition needed to help create a healthy and happy horse so he/she can perform at his/her best This also is true for humans and dogs.
We ship UPS and it depends on where you are at as to when you get it. We try to ship same day as ordered but sometimes we ship the following day. We ship out of San Diego county in California. LA area is next day. East Coast is 5 working days after day shipped if shipping via ground UPS.
It takes 3 to 5 continuous days of taking RR for the horse , human or ? to begin feeling better. I would suggest for your husband that you order Rapid Response HF and he takes 2 ounces twice a day mixed with 2 to 4 ounces of orange juice (cold). You can order 1 gallon of RR-HF for example and give it to both your horse and husband.
I hope this information helps you.
Sharone Morrison ceo
Amerdon International Inc.
amerdonter@aol.com
Website: amerdon.com
Continued 7-9-06
When we first began manufacturing RR we put ...keep refrigerated when opened on the bottle. During the last years we have discovered the following. RR has survived freezing overnight when delivered in the East and left overnight on the porch in the snow and ice on a winter night. I have it freeze in the frig on me quite often and I just pull it out and let it sit at room temp until it thaws and I can pour it. It has been carried around in UPS trucks on hot summer days ok. It is pasteurized at high temperatures. It can survive 90-100 degree temps but only perhaps one day and several days is not recommended. Preferred temps for storage are 36 to 76 degrees F. We have found that leaving the lid open to the air (can cause mold after a couple of years) is not recommended. Direct sunlight is not recommended. When mixing with DMSO for external application it must be stored above 65 degrees because DMSO freezes at 65.
It is okay for somebody to store the gallon in their home at about room temp and pour about 1/4 into another closed container and take to the barn and store in the shade or as cool a place as possible. The RR is much more palatable for a human if it is cold. Again a human can pour a larger portion in a smaller container and store in the fridge. It is better to go into the larger gallon and move into smaller containers maybe 4 to 6 times and not 10-20 times when the gallon is at room temp. It is important that they shake it just before each use and this is especially important with the Rapid Response F or HF.
Ringbone horses and Isoxsuprine:
Isoxsuprine dialates the distal blood vessels in the hands and feet and was once used by people for this function. The goal is to get more blood flow to these areas. Many ringbone people have used it for this purpose. Some good and some not so good results. Here it is a little different, because when you get more blood down into the hoof this means you also get more Rapid Response into the area via the blood. We used isox. on the above ringbone horse also. You can buy 1000 tabs of 10 or 20 mg tabs at a reasonable price. We would have our people crush 10 tabs and mix with the RR dose twice a day. This helped the above horse also. After several months on it though I noticed she was breathing heavy in her stall and I asked Janet to stop the isoxsuprine and the abnormal breathing disappeared……thus I might recommend it for about 3 months and then evaluate. There are many different types and severities in ringbone and horses are not all the same. I am mentioning the different things our people have tried to help their horses and they would get back to me with the results. You need to see what works for your horse and you.. For instance, my trainer does not think you need to mix the RR with DMSO to get it to absorb into the horse….all you need to do is massage the RR into the area twice a day and the RR will absorb by itself. He is right that the RR absorbs by itself but again you need to try what works the best for you and I believe the DMSO will help get the RR into the hoof area. He uses RR on the tendons and soft tissue injuries and using RR only and massageing and wrapping and not using plastic or DMSO so you see there are a lot of different ways to use it and it seems to work no matter which way you use it.
9-11-06
I purchased RR after reading about your product in the Horse Journal and I have a couple of questions.
I have a 22 year old mare, (Trakehner - Appaloosa) who is severly lame with ringbone and want to know the preferred dosage. I am unable to wrap her consistantly but after reading the information that was sent with RR-F, I am hoping to get a positive response by oral dosing only. I have also purchased MSM but need to know how many mg would work best with the RR-f. Also I read that Isoxoprine may further increase the efficacy of RR and would get some from my vet if you think that it would help. Again, if you could help me out with the dosages of these products, I would really appreciate it.
Sharone: I do not usually include MSM with my recommendations because I believe the RR-F will work by itself. However, MSM does help the joints and I would suggest the normal dose recommended for horses. You need to make sure your horse drinks plenty of water because MSM is a high sulfur molecule and if similar to the sulfa antibiotic -Septra DS- for urinary infections in women can crystallize in the kidneys unless flushed with water) I do not know offhand what the dose might be--1/2 ounce to 1 ounce a day?? so please search the internet for the dosage. Since you want to avoid wrapping: this is what I suggest. 1 oz of dmso gel mixed with 6 oz RR-F stored in plastic closed containers above 65 degrees (so it will not freeze)..soak a piece of cotton in it and put this around the coronet band. If the coronet band gets too soft then leave the cotton off for a couple of days until it firms back up. It can get a little soft so the RR will absorb but not to the point of lameness. Place a piece of thin cotton with plastic backing over it and around the ankle (if lower ringbone otherwise apply on the area itself). If you go to the senior section of a pharmacy (where the Depends are located) you should find a package of bed pads (so protect the mattress from urine) for about $10. Then are thin pieces of cotton with a plastic backing for leakage. I would suggest cutting the size you want to wrap around the corronet band or pastern and then covering with a small amount of vet wrap to hold it on. If the RR cotton is wet enough you can leave on for 2 days. It does not need to be tight but just hold the RR onto the area. RR will absorb into the leg by itself but a little dmso will speed the process up. I would do this until much of her lameness is resolved and some pain is eliminated. It is a easy way to wrap and the mare should get used to it. When she is less lame and less pain then you can stop this part. It sounds like she is pretty bad and thus you would probably need to start with 6 ounces twice a day orally and then as she does better you can decrease to 5 ounces twice a day then to 4 ounces twice a day. Her goal would be to obtain soundness and not necessarily removing the ringbone (that would be a plus and would take time). I would recommend using 10 tablets of isoxsuprine twice a day (mixed with the RR) and use the isoxsuprine for a max of 3 months and then stop. The isox dialates the distal blood vessels (foot) thus getting more blood and RR into the foot area. Some of her days will be better than others. She will go up and down and thus your dosing will probably increase on bad days and decrease on good days. For this reason instead of one gallon of Rapid Response F for $269 I would sell you 2 gallons for this price. I do not make any money and it helps lower your cost so you will use it for her and use higher doses to help her. These gallons MUST be used only for her and nothing else. I want to help her so the two gallons would be for her so she does not get cheated just because of money. However, I am trying to help her and do not want to be taken advantage off overall. But then again if you have a case of founder, laminitis or fracture where you need high dosing to start use it! for anybody. The isox requires an RX from a vet but you can get isox through the internet animal suppliers for about $60 per 1000 tabs and they can call your vet for permission. So check out the prices on the internet and then the price your vet might charge and decide what to do. I am also sending this email to Janet Cosgrove who has Gigi. She has been using the RR-F for about 2 years and her kid has ringbone in both front feet. She, if she time, can give you first hand experience with dosing and the ups and downs of it all. She is a great person. Also what we are finding out about all people is that we all want to help each other and you will see this with the people who use RR.
On another note, I have another old mare (Anglo-Trak) who has arthritis with a tendency towards laminitis and I was wondering how she would benefit from RR, but again I am unclear on the dosage and/or combination of products and so I am asking for further guidance. With this mare I would begin feeding 3 ounces of RR-F twice a day to load her. It takes 3 days after stopping RR for the change to show up. It also takes about 5 days of continuously taking RR to judge whether a dose change is okay or if you need to go higher or lower. You might need to go higher at first. I am hoping a dose of 2 ounces twice a day (total 4 oz) will maintain her. If she goes laminitis on you then increase her to 8 ounces twice a day for about 3 days then decrease to 6 oz twice daily for 3 days then 4 ounces twice daily or base dose on what is going on and decrease back down when better. Soak in ice.
Finally, I have just purchased a 3 yr old Trak filly, unbroken, and was wondering what RR might do for her as we start her in training (lower level eventing and dressage) Again what product, or combination of products would be best. She can use the regular Rapid Response with 2 ounces twice a day dosing. If problems increase dose and if begins to feel too good because she is happy because she feels good you can decrease the dose. As you use RR you will learn how to dose it etc.
Thank you for your time, I really hope that RR can help my mare with ringbone because she is the most honest and fun horse that I have ever met and I just want her to enjoy her retirement, she deserves it. She has been on Bute but it seems to be having less affect and I worry about the side effects if I just start increasing the dosage. The RR will protect her stomach from the bute and I would rather see her take something that is healthy and not be on bute at all.
If your horses are on other glucosamine and chondroitin supplements you do not need them when on RR…..RR contains smaller doses but they are much more effective than large doses of these products. Although we mention vitamins in Rapid Response, they are from natural sources and do not contain all your horse needs and thus I would recommend a vitamin and mineral supplement. If you check out our mineral, vitamin and antioxidant Total Effort formula which should be towards the end of this handout you will get an idea. What can be used with RR. All of our products were formulated by Dr. Fourziano to be used together. The UnTyeMe formula contains good sources of Vitamin E, Selenium and Magnesium for muscles and horses that tye up their muscles. I have also personally found a good use for UnTyeMe…..when my fillies get in heat and start kicking the panels (which I do not like) and acting obnoxious then we feed them 1 ounces of UnTyeMe a day…….by the next day after they have their first dose they act normal again.
Until next time…………….
8-18-06
If you go into the shopping cart and select Rapid Response on the top you can page down a brief description between the different Rapid Responses. Rapid Response F is my best formula and recommended for fractures, ringbone, navicular and all other injuries. It is recommended for race horses on a maintenance basis to promote soundness and help with other problems. The usual dose for a race horse is 4 ounces a day. The day before, day of and after the race doubling the dose is recommended. RR has many functions which you can read about on the website under the human descriptions. The Rapid Response F and Rapid Response HF are the same formula with the only difference being a horse label or a human label. It is the same formula. The Rapid Response HF formula has helped people who have MS and fibromyalgia in additiion to many other problems. Wrapping: When you have an injury it is advisable to, in addition to feeding it, but also to apply externally on the leg or ? and the Rapid Response promotes healing from the inside and the outside. Previously we have used the sweat wrap method of applying RR (similar to a furacin wrap) where we want the area to develop warmth so the RR is absorbed directly into the problem area. Sometimes though especially in the hot summer months the plastic (as seen on the website under directions in left column then select wrapping at top and you can scroll down through several pictures of wrapping with RR (this is in the horse area). and you will get an idea of what I mean. We have also been using a mixture of 1 oz dmso with 6 oz of Rapid Response (store in plastic closed container and do not let it freeze) and dipping cotton in this mixture and using it externally and adding support if a fracture. This needs to be changed daily.
For fractures, I suggest the high dose method which is feeding 8 ounces of RR-F twice a day until signs of relief are shown then decrease to 6 oz twice daily until improvement and then down to 4 ounces twice a day until xrays show good healing and thereafter feed at least 4 oz a day to build density into the bone. This method of dosing works for founder and laminitis and the dosing can be decreased over about a two week period in these two conditions. There is a handout which should have been shipped to you mentioning Rapid Response questions etc. Whether you begin with the 8 ounce twice a day dose depends on how old and how severe the fracture is.....if you are talking about a tibia fracture then I would start with 4 ounces twice a day for a week or two and then go from there. When your horse begins to feel better, he/she will tell you and you will not need bute. If the horse begins to feel Too Good then this is a sign to decrease the dose about 1 to 2 oz. It takes about 3 to 5 days for a dose change to show up in the horse. The more Rapid Response fed in the beginning insures the RR goes to the area in large enough amount to eliminate the debri and free radicals and begin the healing process. The dose for a tibia fracture should probably begin with a total of 8 ounces a day and after about a month can be decreased to 4 oz a day. The more RR in the beginning helps the intial healing process. I sent a free quart of the Rapid Response HF which is the same formula as the horse in case you wanted to know what it does for a horse then you could take it and follow the directions on the bottle. After 5 days of continously taking it then stop for about 5 days and see if you feel a difference. (You will probably notice a difference before then.) I hope this helps you. Please email with any more questions and I will help in any way I can.
Sharone of Amerdon
9-13-06—DOGS
Feed dogs the following as a general rule:
For 10 pound dog feed 1 to 2 teaspoonfuls daily
For 20 lbs body weight of dog feed 1/2 ounce daily
For 20-50 lbs body weight of dog feed 1 oz daily in soft food
For over 50 lbs feed 1 to 2 ounces a day. Such as hip dysplagia.
More severe conditions contact me, Sharone, with a better description of the problem. The dosing varies with the problem and dog.
10-6-06 add on—
Question: Can I stop or lower the dose of Rapid Response after my horse’s ringbone gets better and he becomes sound?
The original people who used Rapid Response which were Janet Jagitsch and Debra Kahn discovered they needed to maintain their horses on a smaller dose and they discovered it the hard way. The conformation, shoeing, activity etc which caused the ringbone in the first place can revert the horse back into the unsoundness stage....it depends on the cause of ringbone etc. The amount of improvement in a ringbone horse, based on results, may show decreased ringbone growth, may not show decreased ringbone growth, might stop more ringbone growth but in the cases that I know about the horse does obtain soundness. To maintain the soundness the horse needs to be maintained on smaller doses of Rapid Response F and this has to be judged by the owner (in my book you are actually the “parent”). We have horses such as GiGi on the website who had extreme severe ringbone in both front feet (to the point it was recommended she be put down) and she needs to be maintain on 6 to 8 ounces a day usually. Janet used RR on her older horse (for ringbone and navicular) and cleared up both and then she stopped using it and the navicular came back and then she spent another 6 months treating that navicular. Since then she has maintained her horse on RR and the problem has stayed controlled (the ringbone growth has decreased). When the horse has various problems that occur since she would take the RR back up to take care of the problem and then decrease again. Debra discovered her horse needed to be maintained on a lower dose. They both had ringbone about 5 years or more ago and are still doing just fine.
I do not know how hard your horse is working. If he is now doing well on 4 ounces a day then I would suggest feeding 3 ounces one day and 4 oz the next day and alternate (to play it safe) and see how this works for at least 2 to 4 weeks. If this works then decrease to 3 oz every day for about a month. If this works then decrease 2 oz one day and 3 oz the next and alternate for a month. If this works then decrease to 2 oz a day. There will be days when especially rough or something happens then give a larger dose on that day and the next 2 or 3 days to take care of the problem (not usually realated to ringbone but anything). With regard to ringbone the problem will not re-occur over night but it could take a month at a lower dose. I would keep a diary about the dosing and what your horse's activity is at the time etc....so when you look back it will help you. Plus it might be kinda fun. On the days he is getting training feed him more. Another option is that I would say as I look at your note that you might also try feeding him 2 oz a day on his rest days (3) and
2 oz two hours before he is ridden and follow with 2 oz after the ride with evening feed to help him recover. I think I would try this method if it were me. You would end up saving 6 oz a week which can add up! I personally feed a horse should receive a minimum of 2 oz a day especially if ridden and one ounces minimum a day if not ridden and retired and if no longer has any problems. This will maintain good health and keep the immune system active and prevent colds etc.
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